Legislature(2005 - 2006)SENATE FINANCE 532

03/10/2006 09:00 AM Senate FINANCE


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09:50:36 AM Adjourn
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Discussion Regarding Federal
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                    SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                  
                         March 10, 2006                                                                                       
                           9:05 a.m.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Gary  Wilken  convened  the  meeting  at  approximately                                                               
9:05:31 AM.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lyda Green, Co-Chair                                                                                                    
Senator Gary Wilken, Co-Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Con Bunde, Vice Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Bert Stedman                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Also Attending:  SENATOR CHARLIE HUGGINS; JAMES  ARMSTRONG, Staff                                                             
to Senator  Gary Wilken; JOHN  MACKINNON, Deputy  Commissioner of                                                               
Highways &  Public Facilities,  Department of  Transportation and                                                               
Public   Facilities;  EDDY   JEANS,  Director,   School  Finance,                                                               
Department of Education and Early Development                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Attending  via  Teleconference:   There  were  no  teleconference                                                             
participants.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY INFORMATION                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SB 232-APPROPS: ENERGY-RELATED, PIPELINE & MISC.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
The Committee  adopted a new committee  substitute and considered                                                               
but  failed  to adopt  two  amendments.  The bill  reported  from                                                               
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     SENATE BILL NO. 232                                                                                                        
     "An  Act making  special, supplemental,  capital, and  other                                                               
     appropriations,   amending    appropriations,   and   making                                                               
     appropriations  to capitalize  funds; and  providing for  an                                                               
     effective date."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
This was the fourth hearing for this bill in the Senate Finance                                                                 
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  stated that the  purpose of today's  meeting was                                                               
to address the FY 2006 Energy and Fast Track Supplemental bill.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green  moved to adopt  committee substitute  Version 24-                                                               
GS2068\L as the working document.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Without  objection,  Version  "L"  was  ADOPTED  as  the  working                                                               
document.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  informed the Committee  that the  explanation of                                                               
the changes contained in the  Senate Finance committee substitute                                                               
would be  identified by  line and section  number as  depicted on                                                               
the   spreadsheet  titled   "FY  2006   Energy  and   Fast  Track                                                               
Supplemental" [copy on file] dated March 10, 2006.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Line 6                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Section 1                                                                                                                  
     Department of Corrections                                                                                                  
     Results Delivery Unit (RDU): Inmate Health Care                                                                            
     Supplemental   Need:  Funding   is  needed   to  pay   three                                                               
     contractors  and   several  fee-for-service   providers  for                                                               
     services rendered  prior to 6/30/2005. These  providers have                                                               
     not  been paid  and are  charging interest  for non-payment.                                                               
     Prompt payment would avoid further interest charges.                                                                       
     $755,000 Senate Finance Committee (SFC) General Funds                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  noted that this  technical change  would clarify                                                               
language  pertaining to  the FY  05  needs of  the Department  of                                                               
Corrections.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
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     Section 1                                                                                                                  
     Department of Transportation and Public Facilities                                                                         
     RDU: Marine Vessel Operations                                                                                              
     Supplemental Need: Fuel Price and Usage Increase                                                                           
     $12,774,800 SFC General Funds                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken stated that after  continuing discussion with the                                                               
Alaska  Marine   Highway  System   (AMHS),  the   Senate  Finance                                                               
Committee increased  their previous  allocation by  $500,000. The                                                               
needs  of the  AMHS would  continue  to be  addressed during  the                                                               
consideration of  the AMHS  FY 07 budget  request. Each  time the                                                               
AMHS  is discussed,  "we  get  a little  more  comfortable and  a                                                               
little more uncomfortable." The budget of  the AMHS is "a work in                                                               
progress." He also  voiced appreciation of the  work conducted by                                                               
Senator Stedman on this issue.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:08:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Stedman remarked  that  the AMHS  "is  virtually out  of                                                               
cash."  The  Marine  Highway Fund,  which  historically  provided                                                               
"back-up  funds"  to  the  AMHS, has  been  depleted.  While  the                                                               
$12,774,800   allocation  recommended   by  the   Senate  Finance                                                               
Committee is lower than the amount  desired by the AMHS, it would                                                               
be sufficient  to fund  the AMHS  through the  third week  of May                                                               
2006.  Additional  assistance  would   be  provided  by  separate                                                               
legislation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Stedman,  noting how  "vital"  AMHS  is to  the  State's                                                               
coastal  communities,  requested  that the  AMHS  keep  Committee                                                               
members  apprised  of  its  situation  by  providing  "cash  flow                                                               
updates" every two weeks.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken  asked  John  MacKinnon  of  the  Department  of                                                               
Transportation  and  Public  Facilities  to  communicate  Senator                                                               
Stedman's requests to AMHS officials.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:10:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Stedman  communicated that  the AHMS  energy supplemental                                                               
request for  FY 06 fuel  expenses was  understandable considering                                                               
the  increase   in  fuel  costs   that  have   been  experienced.                                                               
Continuing, however, he shared that  he had been unaware that the                                                               
AMHS cash flow  position was so "tight", and as  a result, he had                                                               
requested AMHS to provide him  with weekly cash flow projections.                                                               
The request now  is that the cash flow positions  be updated on a                                                               
biweekly basis.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator Stedman stated that additional  FY 06 AMHS requests would                                                               
be considered  in "the  Slow Track  supplemental". The  fact that                                                               
AMHS  could now  provide an  independent balance  sheet would  be                                                               
beneficial  in  addressing their  FY  07  budget. Continuing,  he                                                               
asked  that  these  documents  also   be  provided  to  Committee                                                               
members.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Stedman  suggested  that  the  financial  balance  sheet                                                               
provide line  item detail  by boat. He  also requested  that "up-                                                               
land"  expenses be  included. The  Committee should  be able  "to                                                               
look at  the AMHS as an  enterprise fund", such as  a local water                                                               
utility,  for  example.  Otherwise,  there  is  danger  that  the                                                               
Committee  might  not  anticipate  "the full  impact  of  changes                                                               
within  the  system"  as efforts  are  undertaken  "to  decrease"                                                               
rather than increase the general fund subsidy.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator Stedman stressed  that no one should expect  the AMHS "to                                                               
run at  a profit". A  balance sheet,  an income statement,  and a                                                               
cash flow  statement should be  provided. He also  requested that                                                               
the "Department produce a monthly  cash flow analysis for FY 07".                                                               
This  would   address  the  concern   that  "the   budget  that's                                                               
presented,  modified, and  then adopted,  is capable  of whatever                                                               
level of  service that  the Legislature  decides is  adequate, is                                                               
capable of  being delivered."  Such things  as footnotes  on fuel                                                               
consumption  and fuel  prices would  be expected.  Last year  the                                                               
budget  initially reflected  fuel prices  of $1.17  or $1.18  per                                                               
gallon; the finalized FY 06 budget  was based on a price of $1.46                                                               
per   gallon.  Nonetheless,   a  substantial   funding  shortfall                                                               
occurred. While acknowledging that  projecting fuel prices is not                                                               
an easy task,  efforts must be made to adopt  a budget that would                                                               
allow AMHS to deliver throughout its fiscal year.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Stedman stated  that the cash position of the  AMHS is an                                                               
area of concern.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:14:19 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Stedman continued  that the level of  AMHS cash operating                                                               
funds  at the  end of  a  fiscal year  might  be a  subject of  a                                                               
Committee  policy discussion.  He  suggested that  "as a  general                                                               
rule"  the goal  should  be  for AMHS  and  other departments  to                                                               
submit  "substantially  smaller"  supplemental budgets  than  the                                                               
"huge" supplementals that have been the experience.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator Stedman  appreciated the Legislature's efforts  to assist                                                               
the  AMHS  with  fuel  costs,  specifically  the  Senate  Finance                                                               
Committee's decision  to increase  its recommended  allocation by                                                               
$500,000. The AMHS  is "a transportation system  that affects the                                                               
interior,  Anchorage  and Fairbanks,  …  along  with the  coastal                                                               
communities".  Were  the   aforementioned  information  routinely                                                               
provided  to  members,  the  Committee  could  address  the  fast                                                               
ferries and  other AMHS issues  early in next  year's Legislative                                                               
session. The discussion at that  time should include the seascape                                                               
capabilities of the two fast  ferries, particularly in respect to                                                               
"what was promised to be delivered"  and the schedules of the two                                                               
vessels.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:16:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken appreciated Senator  Stedman's "guidance" in this                                                               
endeavor.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken related  that after the AMHS  presentation to the                                                               
Committee on  March second, his  "sense" was that the  system "is                                                               
at  a turning  point. We  need to  decide what  to do  with seven                                                               
different variables, most  of which are not very  good." While he                                                               
had originally thought that a  subcommittee should be assigned to                                                               
address  the  AMHS  issue,  it  was  decided  that,  due  to  the                                                               
widespread  interest  in  the  issue,  the  full  Senate  Finance                                                               
Committee should  be involved in the  discussion. Senator Stedman                                                               
has, to  date, led the  effort to monitor  the AMHS. The  hope is                                                               
that federal  funds, State funds,  and user's money  would result                                                               
in "a better ferry system" in the future.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken  asked  Mr.  MacKinnon  to  communicate  to  the                                                               
Department  of  Transportation  and Public  Facilities  that  the                                                               
Senate Finance Committee would "expect  to know what's happening,                                                               
why, and how we're doing business  to make it better." This issue                                                               
is "that important."                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
JOHN  MACKINNON,   Deputy  Commissioner  of  Highways   &  Public                                                               
Facilities, Department  of Transportation and  Public Facilities,                                                               
communicated that  the message would  be delivered  to Department                                                               
management.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:19:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
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     Section 4                                                                                                                  
     Department of Administration                                                                                               
     RDU: Capital                                                                                                               
     Supplemental Need: Voice-over Internet                                                                                     
     $4,000,000 SFC Other Funds                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  stated that this  item was  originally allocated                                                               
$5,000,000.   That  allocation   was   subsequently  reduced   to                                                               
$1,000,000,   and   is   now   specified   at   $4,000,000.   The                                                               
determination  was that  "either you  pay it  now or  you pay  it                                                               
later."  The  total investment  in  this  three-year project  "to                                                               
converge our technologies"  into a unified system  is expected to                                                               
be $22,000,000. This  funding would allow investments  to be made                                                               
to support FY  07 budget activities. This language  is located in                                                               
the bill on page 7, lines 1 through 3.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Stedman  asked  for further  information  regarding  the                                                               
purchase of a vacant building  in the Matanuska-Susitna valley as                                                               
specified in  Sec. 4(b)  page 7  lines 4 through  7 of  the bill.                                                               
This section reads as follows.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     (b) It is the intent  of the legislature that the Department                                                               
     of Administration  begin to investigate the  purchase of the                                                               
     vacant  Valley Hospital  building to  provide a  centralized                                                               
     facility for  justice-related offices and to  reduce overall                                                               
     rent  costs  for  state agencies  in  the  Matanuska-Susitna                                                               
     Valley.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken requested that the  discussion follow the Section                                                               
order   presented  in   the  aforementioned   spreadsheet.  Thus,                                                               
discussion on the hospital building would be forthcoming.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Line 17                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 5                                                                                                                     
     Department of Commerce, Community and Economic Development                                                                 
     RDU:  Capital -  Grant  to "2006  Arctic  Winter Games  Host                                                               
     Society"                                                                                                                   
     Supplemental  Needs: Funding  for  the  Arctic Winter  Games                                                               
     that take place March 5-12, 2006                                                                                           
     $250,000 SFC General Funds                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  stated this change  involved the removal  of the                                                               
June 30, 2006 effective date.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:20:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde  pointed out that this  money would be going  to an                                                               
area of the  State to which he "most frequently  hears that there                                                               
is too  much State  spending and too  much government.  Ed Martin                                                               
Senior and company would be really unhappy with this."                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Conceptual  Amendment  #4:  This amendment  changes  the  funding                                                               
source  for the  Arctic Winter  Games from  General Funds  to the                                                               
Earnings Reserve Account  of the Permanent Fund.  The language is                                                               
located in Sec. 5 page 7 lines 8 through 11 of the bill.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
[NOTE: Even thought this amendment  was referred to as Conceptual                                                               
Amendment  #1 by  the Committee,  a separate  amendment had  been                                                               
previously submitted  and logged as Amendment  #1. Therefore this                                                               
amendment should be correctly  identified as Conceptual Amendment                                                               
#4.]                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bunde   moved  for  the   adoption  of   the  conceptual                                                               
amendment.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken objected.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde  communicated that  many people support  saving the                                                               
$1.2  billion  revenue surplus  the  State  has experienced  this                                                               
year.  This amendment  would  further  that endeavor.  Therefore,                                                               
were  there serious  support for  the Arctic  Winter Games,  this                                                               
funding source change would be considered acceptable.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote was taken on the motion.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
In Favor: Senator Bunde                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Opposed: Senator Stedman, Co-Chair Green, and Co-Chair Wilken                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Absent: Senator Dyson, Senator Hoffman, and Senator Olson.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
The Motion FAILED (1-3-3)                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Conceptual Amendment #4 FAILED to be adopted.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Conceptual  Amendment   #5:  This   amendment  deletes,   in  its                                                               
entirety, the language pertaining to  the Arctic Winter Games, as                                                               
depicted in Sec. 5 page 7 lines 8 through 11 of the bill.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde moved to adopt the amendment.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
[NOTE: Even thought this amendment  was referred to as Conceptual                                                               
Amendment  #2 by  the Committee,  a separate  amendment had  been                                                               
previously submitted  and logged as Amendment  #2. Therefore this                                                               
conceptual   amendment   should   be  correctly   identified   as                                                               
Conceptual Amendment #5.]                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote was taken on the motion.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
In Favor: Senator Bunde and Senator Green.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Opposed: Senator Stedman and Co-Chair Wilken                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Absent: Senator Dyson, Senator Hoffman, and Senator Olson.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
The Motion FAILED (2-2-3)                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Conceptual Amendment #5 FAILED to be adopted.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:23:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Stedman  stated that  "the point"  of the  two amendments                                                               
proposed by  Senator Bunde  is important: the  fact is  that many                                                               
people in the State support saving  the budget surplus as long as                                                               
doing so  would not "affect  them". He supported  Senator Bunde's                                                               
"philosophical  opinion"  that efforts  to  save  rather than  to                                                               
spend the surplus must be made.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken agreed that such an effort should occur.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde  remarked that he  had not expected  his amendments                                                               
to  be adopted;  he  had  offered them  to  demonstrate, for  the                                                               
record, that there are "a great  many wants, there are some needs                                                               
that  we need  to  fund, and  the  general public  has  to be  ….                                                               
willing  to accept  the notion  that if  they want  reductions in                                                               
State spending, they  have to be part of the  solution instead of                                                               
part of  the problem." Some  legislators have been  frustrated at                                                               
"the  inconsistency"   of  the  public's  message.   Rather  than                                                               
presenting  the stance  of "Cut  the  other fellow  and pass  the                                                               
savings on  to me", the fact  is that unless people  become "part                                                               
of the solution … we are indeed part of the problem".                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken commented, "Well put, Senator Bunde."                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:24:53 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Line 19                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Section 7                                                                                                                  
     Department of Education and Early Development                                                                              
     RDU: Capital                                                                                                               
     Supplemental Need: Add White Mountain K-12 School                                                                          
     Replacement project. It had originally been requested as an                                                                
     FY07 capital budget amendment.                                                                                             
     $10,117,800 SFC General Funds                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken  noted that  this  component  would address  two                                                               
separate  Department of  Education and  Early Development  school                                                               
items; the first  being the construction of  a replacement school                                                               
at White  Mountain as designated  in Sec.  7(a) page 7,  lines 15                                                               
through  17 of  the bill.  He noted  that additional  information                                                               
about  this project  is provided  in the  handout titled  "Alaska                                                               
Department  of Education  and  Early  Development White  Mountain                                                               
Briefing Paper" [copy on file} dated March 9, 2006.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:25:27 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
EDDY  JEANS, Director,  School Finance,  Department of  Education                                                               
and  Early Development  informed the  Committee that  on February                                                               
15,  2006 the  building that  served  as the  community of  White                                                               
Mountain's  middle/high  school  was   destroyed  by  fire.  That                                                               
building  served 30  students.  The  remaining school  facilities                                                               
include  a  70-plus-year-old  elementary school  that  serves  24                                                               
students and a  separate gymnasium. The building  that burned was                                                               
insured for $1,800,000.  Due to the fact that the  banks of river                                                               
near the current  school site are eroding, the  proposal would be                                                               
to construct  a new facility in  a location one and  a half miles                                                               
from the current  location. This single building  would house the                                                               
elementary, middle, and high school education programs.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jeans  stated  that,  even  though  a  $1,800,000  insurance                                                               
payment  is  expected,  the Department  has  requested  that  the                                                               
entire $10,117,800  construction cost  be allocated.  The concern                                                               
is that  a delay in  the receipt  of the insurance  payment would                                                               
postpone  the construction  of the  school.  The grant  agreement                                                               
would assure  that, once collected,  the insurance  payment would                                                               
be returned to the State.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:27:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde asked how much  interest the State would receive on                                                               
the insurance  money, were  it collected today  rather than  in a                                                               
few years.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jeans voiced being uncertain as  to the time it would take to                                                               
collect the  insurance money. "It's  strictly a timing  issue" of                                                               
when the school construction project must begin."                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde understood  that the balance of  the project beyond                                                               
that   provided  by   the   insurance   would  be   approximately                                                               
$9,000,000.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jeans affirmed.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bunde  asked whether  the  community  of White  Mountain                                                               
would provide a local contribution.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jeans communicated that White  Mountain is part of the Bering                                                               
Strait  Regional Education  Attendance  Area and  is required  to                                                               
contribute two percent toward their capital projects.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:28:48 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green asked  whether the insurance policy  on the school                                                               
was replacement value coverage.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Jeans  responded   that  school   facilities  should   have                                                               
replacement  value insurance  coverage. The  $1,800,000 insurance                                                               
return is based  upon the fact that the school  was a 70-year-old                                                               
wooden structure.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green  understood that replacement value  coverage would                                                               
"replace  a  building at  today's  price  for a  comparable  size                                                               
building, not the value of the wooden structure."                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jeans stated that rather  than simply replacing the structure                                                               
that burned, the plan is to construct a brand new K-12 facility.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken stated that his  office would ask the Division of                                                               
Risk  Management, Department  of Administration,  to clarify  the                                                               
definition and terms of replacement value coverage.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
JAMES ARMSTRONG, Staff to  Co-Chair Wilken, acknowledged Co-Chair                                                               
Wilken's request.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:30:30 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Stedman  asked for  a  capacity  comparison between  the                                                               
structure that burned down and the replacement building.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jeans  stated  that  the  facility  that  burned  served  30                                                               
students. The  replacement school would  serve between 54  and 60                                                               
students.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Wilken  understood   that  the   new  facility   would                                                               
consolidate  the elementary,  middle,  and high  school into  one                                                               
building.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jeans affirmed.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken continued  that the new facility  would be 17,000                                                               
square feet  rather than the  other buildings' combined  space of                                                               
15,000 square feet.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jeans stated  that the  new facility's  size would  meet the                                                               
Department's current space guidelines.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:31:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken surmised  that  this project  had undergone  the                                                               
"vetting  process" since  it was  number 11  on the  Department's                                                               
list of  capital improvement  projects (CIP)  school construction                                                               
grant fund list.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jeans  affirmed  and  noted that  the  school  had  received                                                               
planning  and   design  funds  from  the   State's  2002  General                                                               
Obligation Bonds. Thus, the replacement  school has been designed                                                               
and, were  the construction  appropriation approved,  the project                                                               
could move forward immediately.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Stedman   understood  that  due  to   consolidating  the                                                               
elementary,  middle,  and  high  school into  one  facility,  the                                                               
proposed student capacity would be filled.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
In response to  a question from Co-Chair Wilken,  Mr. Jeans noted                                                               
that  the  community had  operated  an  elementary school  and  a                                                               
combined middle  and high school. The  freestanding gymnasium had                                                               
been built in  1982. The proposal would be to  consolidate all of                                                               
these entities into one structure  at a location further from the                                                               
river.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:32:32 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  understood that,  were the  State to  reduce the                                                               
requested amount  to $9,300,000  and allow the  insurance payment                                                               
to  pay the  difference, the  project would  be unable  "to march                                                               
forward".                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jeans  stated that  the total  cost of  the project  would be                                                               
$10,100,000. "The District  is ready to go to bid  with that." It                                                               
would not be "very prudent" on  the part of the District to "move                                                               
forward  with   a  bid   when  they   only  have   $9,500,000  or                                                               
$8,500,000." He  assured the Committee that  the Department would                                                               
"aggressively" pursue  the insurance  money. That money  would be                                                               
written  into the  contract,  and  "would be  part  of the  grant                                                               
agreement when the appropriation is made."                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  understood therefore  that the  Department would                                                               
be "motivated to chase the insurance  money", as it would be part                                                               
of the agreement.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jeans affirmed.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken asked  the process  through which  the insurance                                                               
money would be reimbursed to the State.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jeans explained  that when  the  money was  received by  the                                                               
State, it would  be appropriated to the general  fund or whatever                                                               
funding source had been specified.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
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     Section 7                                                                                                                  
     Department of Education and Early Development                                                                              
     RDU: Capital                                                                                                               
     Supplemental Need: Add Susitna Valley High School Roof                                                                     
     replacement and structural and safety repairs.                                                                             
     $3,850,000 SFC General Funds                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  noted that  the second  portion of  this Section                                                               
would be the addition of funds  to repair the Susitna Valley High                                                               
School roof. The amount allocated  by the Committee would provide                                                               
70 percent of  the cost. The allocation is depicted  in Sec. 7(b)                                                               
page 7, lines 18 through 20 of the bill.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:34:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  CHARLIE  HUGGINS,  Senate   District  H  Mat-Su  Valley,                                                               
explained   that   this    junior/senior   high   school   serves                                                               
approximately 200 students. Due to  the fact that the school roof                                                               
"doesn't  even meet  50 percent"  of the  required 120  pound per                                                               
square  foot  load  bearing capacity,  the  school  is  currently                                                               
operating "under a waiver from the State Fire Marshall".                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator Huggins noted that since the  school is located in a high                                                               
snow area,  one condition of  the waiver  is that people  must be                                                               
stationed on  the roof to  remove snow  when it snows.  The total                                                               
roof  replacement cost  would be  $5,500,000. He  understood "the                                                               
spirit in  which this  body" is  operating and  voiced acceptance                                                               
for the 70 percent State, 30 percent local funding model.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Huggins stated  that the  inclusion of  this project  in                                                               
this bill  would allow the  construction to be  "accelerated". It                                                               
would act as  "a major cost-savings mechanism,"  as further delay                                                               
would  require the  school district  to  spend in  excess of  one                                                               
million dollars  for portable  classrooms. This  allocation would                                                               
allow  construction to  begin  in May  and  conclude by  December                                                               
2006, thereby  reducing portable  classroom expenses  and student                                                               
displacement.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Huggins shared that the  discovery of this roof condition                                                               
had traumatic impact on the  community, as such things as closing                                                               
the  school had  been considered  prior to  the operating  waiver                                                               
being issued. Insurance  coverage on the school has  also been an                                                               
issue. This  funding should be  viewed as "emergency"  funding as                                                               
it would be unlikely that the  Fire Marshall would grant a waiver                                                               
for the  following year. The  new roof  would extend the  life of                                                               
the school by 30 years.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bunde commented  that the  fact that  the community  has                                                               
recognized the State's  contribution and is willing  to provide a                                                               
local contribution "weighs" favorably with him.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator Stedman  believed that "there  are times" when  the State                                                               
must provide  these types of appropriations.  He also appreciated                                                               
the  community's   decision  to   provide  a  30   percent  local                                                               
contribution to the project.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Stedman  asked the Department  to investigate  the status                                                               
of the Schoenbar  Middle School in Ketchikan, which  is more than                                                               
one year behind its construction  schedule. Classes are currently                                                               
being held in a local mall.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  noted that his  office would follow-up  with the                                                               
Department.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken  thanked  Senator Huggins  for  the  information                                                               
about  the  Susitna  Valley  High   School.  The  fact  that  the                                                               
community  is willing  to provide  a local  contribution and  the                                                               
needs of the school substantiate  the project's inclusion in this                                                               
bill.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:40:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
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     Section 8                                                                                                                  
     Office of the Governor                                                                                                     
     RDU: Branch wide                                                                                                           
     Supplemental Need: Fuel and Utility costs to be distributed                                                                
     to agencies (non-AMHS)                                                                                                     
     $6,736,800 SFC General Funds                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken  stated  that the  Department  of  Environmental                                                               
Conservation was  added to the Sec.  8 language on page  7, lines                                                               
21 through  27 of the bill.  In addition, a technical  change was                                                               
made that  would allow the  Office of the Governor  to distribute                                                               
the funds at their discretion.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:41:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
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     Section 9                                                                                                                  
     Department of Law                                                                                                          
     RDU: Civil Division, Deputy Attorney General's Office                                                                      
     Supplemental Need: Judgments and Claims - actual amount is                                                                 
    $2,621,985.48 (Amendment increased total to $3,269,100)                                                                     
     $3,269,100 SFC General Funds                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bunde "pointed  out  again  that in  this  line, we  are                                                               
funding a  quarter of a million  dollars to give to  a person who                                                               
killed  his  own father  and  sued  the  State  over it.  I  just                                                               
continue  to understand  why there's  some people  who think  the                                                               
State is not to be trusted."                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
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     Section 11(b)                                                                                                              
     Department of Administration                                                                                               
     RDU: Information Services Fund                                                                                             
     Supplemental Need: Capitalize  Information Services Fund for                                                               
     FY  06 implementation  of the  telephone system  replacement                                                               
     and stabilization phase 1 capital project.                                                                                 
     $4,000,000 SFC General Funds                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:42:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  remarked that this item  would appropriate money                                                               
from  the  general  fund  to the  Information  Services  Fund  to                                                               
support  the  Department  of Administration  Voice-over  Internet                                                               
System addressed  in Sec. 4(a) page  7, lines 1 through  3 of the                                                               
bill.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
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     Section 13(a & b)                                                                                                          
     Lapse Section                                                                                                              
     RDU: Information Services Fund                                                                                             
     $0.0 SFC General Funds                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken stated  that technical changes were  made to this                                                               
section.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Sec.  4(b) It  is the  intent  of the  legislature that  the                                                               
     Department  of  Administration   begin  to  investigate  the                                                               
     purchase of  the vacant Valley Hospital  building to provide                                                               
     a centralized  facility for  justice-related offices  and to                                                               
     reduce  overall  rent  costs   for  state  agencies  in  the                                                               
     Matanuska-Susitna Valley.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  noted that the  Valley Hospital  building study,                                                               
as specified in Sec.  4(b) page 7 lines 4 through  7 of the bill,                                                               
was  inadvertently  omitted  from  the spreadsheet.  Due  to  the                                                               
completion of a new regional  medical center in Palmer, the State                                                               
has been presented "the opportunity"  to purchase "at a very good                                                               
price", the  former hospital facility, which  is located adjacent                                                               
to the  Palmer Courthouse. A  "placeholder" is required  in order                                                               
to allow the hospital's owner  to "say the State is investigating                                                               
purchase".                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Green  stressed  that   rather  than  appropriating  or                                                               
approving the  purchase, the language  in the bill  would provide                                                               
legislative authorization  "to investigate" such a  purchase. Any                                                               
further  action   in  this   regard  would   require  legislative                                                               
approval.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken  stated  that  were the  determination  made  to                                                               
further this  issue, the project  would be  "a good match"  as it                                                               
would allow  "the courthouse and  all the people who  support the                                                               
courthouse" to share  a common parking lot.  The facilities would                                                               
be connected by a sky-bridge.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Stedman  recalled  that   an  expansion  of  the  Palmer                                                               
Courthouse had been addressed  in separate legislation. Therefore                                                               
this  project would  appear "to  be a  fit within  the goals"  of                                                               
addressing the needs of "the cramped courthouse".                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:44:16 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green  agreed that  it would  be a  good fit.  She noted                                                               
that the recent  approval to construct two new  courtrooms in the                                                               
courthouse  maximized   the  allowable  square  footage   of  the                                                               
facility.   No   further   additions   could   be   accommodated.                                                               
Furthermore,  the parking  lot  demands  have exceeded  capacity.                                                               
Were the  investigation to determine  that the  adjacent hospital                                                               
building  could not  be retrofitted  to accommodate  court needs,                                                               
the process would not proceed.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:45:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
There  being no  further topics  of discussion  or amendments  to                                                               
come  before  the Committee  in  regards  to the  bill,  Co-Chair                                                               
Wilken concluded  the discussion  in regards  to the  Version "L"                                                               
committee substitute.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Green moved  to  report the  bill  from Committee  with                                                               
individual recommendations.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
There  being  no objection,  CS  SB  232(FIN) was  REPORTED  from                                                               
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken thanked  everyone for the hard  work conducted on                                                               
the bill.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:46:56 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Stedman announced the schedule for an upcoming                                                                          
University of Alaska Committee of the Whole subcommittee                                                                        
meeting.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
AT EASE 9:47:24 AM / 9:50:13 AM                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green announced that the Joint Meeting with Senate                                                                     
Transportation Committee scheduled for Monday March 13, 2006 is                                                                 
cancelled until further notice.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Gary Wilken adjourned the meeting at 9:50:36 AM.                                                                     

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